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OK, here is where Linux loses me


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i still like mandriva powerpack 2010 x64

 

or if you can get the xtreme edition by the mandriva polish peeps that is sweet and quick old by todays distro's but they work and suited me and how i work.

 

Um must reload powerpack again and update wine to play games :)


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Try linux mint it's the best crossover from Windows to Linux and you can extract the distro find the mint4windows file in the extracted folder and install directly from windows just like you would regular software and have both systems running side by side. You can uninstall as you please without worry about partition or boot fixing after. :) Works great I can add some screenshots if you like?

Hi, I do use Linux mint 16 mate (petra ) there is no more mint4windows as for some unknown to me reason it won't work with DVD distros

I prepared a separate disk made that disk the boot disk by setting it as root / and grub went on it. then I used Ezbcd to create a dual boot system with win 8.1 so if I remove the distro my windows is not affected


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I have found that anything that any version of Linux does can be done quicker, more efficiently, and with greater ease in Windows.  LInux, like Jimi Hendrix sings in the song "Manic Depression" is a frustrating mess!


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I have found that anything that any version of Linux does can be done quicker, more efficiently, and with greater ease in Windows.  LInux, like Jimi Hendrix sings in the song "Manic Depression" is a frustrating mess!

It's a bit of an unfair comparison, due to the fact that Linux was mainly developed for "server computers", not necessarily for desktop users. Only the recent distros are trying to gain ground in that department. Windows on the other hands, has had quite some years of experience in designing friendly user interfaces - and still managed to mess things up with Metro.


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Try installing and partitioning a second drive. It won't see the second drive in order to format it. If you use Gpart you can get it to partition but it won't format. What a cluster F. Even if you do get it formatted Linux systems won't see it. The manufacturers that install Windows putting everything on the "C drive" drive me nuts but I can at least dump their stupid install, dual partition, reformat and reinstall. Mixing data and executables on the same partition or drive is a receipt for disaster. Ever since the DOS days I have at least used two partitions. 20MB hard drives cost about $700.00 USD and failed regularly. You could replace the drive with a new one. and some times you could bang the old drive on a corner and get it to start up and run mechcanicaly, then if you were lucky you could copy your data to the new drive partition. Gibson's Spinright was a lifesaving program that did low level recoveries if you could get the drive to actually run. I don't miss "The good old days" . They never were!


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It's a bit of an unfair comparison, due to the fact that Linux was mainly developed for "server computers", not necessarily for desktop users. Only the recent distros are trying to gain ground in that department. Windows on the other hands, has had quite some years of experience in designing friendly user interfaces - and still managed to mess things up with Metro.

I really enjoy Metro!  I use it all the time!


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I have never formulated (worded correctly) my arguments against the Linux World but there is a lot of spitting-in-the-wind and then that shocked look of "Why's this spit back on ME?"

 

For example... For far more than a decade, I've heard "Year Of The Linux" yelled loud, with an ample chorus of "Down with Windows!".  

 

Yet the first step in EVERY conversion process remains: "Make the conversion of data AS EASY AS POSSIBLE." 

 

Therefore, every Linux distro that claims to want to win-over Win Users should have immediate and easy access into NTFS and FAT32 file systems.  Until distro's do that, then any claims about 'wanting to win over Win Users' is part of The Big Lie.  All hat, no cattle.

 

The other factor is that Users aren't forced to confront their own reality: "What are you using on Windows?  What programs do you use?  What services do you use?  What end-results do you produce or need to produce?"

 

I could ask that question here - "What do you use the computer for?" and get a variety of answers, and a good many would be nebulous.  I doubt anyone would write, "Gee, I dunno... not really...." but when I ask that question, face to face, I see those eyes quickly rolling around.  "Uh - surf the web?  Write email?" 

 

Ah!  The perfect Linux candidate!  "They read and type."  They probably produce 'nothing' with their computer - it's a web-page reader or a more colorful typewriter.  (Holy Hemingway, Batman - writing the Great American Novel is NOTHING?!!  Well... let's just say they aren't refining the script to plow the Back 40, or re-engineering Detroit's auto-assembly plants...)

 

I think Linux needs to focus on two marketing efforts: (1) get their file system to accept the world's most popular file system en toto, with no caveats, no 'terminal sessions' required.  And (2) get users to focus on Programs Used, not on Colors Displayed or any cartoonish penguins, armadillos, geckos, etc. Get potential users to confront their actual prodcution ON a computer, and then provide any and all duplicated-services on Linux-based programs.  Not Wine, not any other 'layer' or VM or sandbox.

 

Is this enough kindling for flames?


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I could ask that question here - "What do you use the computer for?" and get a variety of answers, and a good many would be nebulous.  I doubt anyone would write, "Gee, I dunno... not really...." but when I ask that I think Linux needs to focus on two marketing efforts: (1) get their file system to accept the world's most popular file system en toto, with no caveats, no 'terminal sessions' required.  And (2) get users to focus on Programs Used, not on Colors Displayed or any cartoonish penguins, armadillos, geckos, etc. Get potential users to confront their actual prodcution ON a computer, and then provide any and all duplicated-services on Linux-based programs.  Not Wine, not any other 'layer' or VM or sandbox.

 

Is this enough kindling for flames?

 

I agree. With Windows if I need an add-on like Flash all I usually need to know is what Windows version (easy to find) and 32 or 64 bit (also easy to find) and in most cases the add-on supplier does this for me. But with Linux I need to know if I need RPM, deb, tgz or something else. The Linux sites say "It easy, if it is based on Red Hat use this, Debian, uses this." Oh ok... uh what?

 

When Linux gets to the point when my Mother in Law can navigate it, then it may have a chance to make real inroads to the Windows domination.

 

I'm not saying I love Windows, I just love the ease of use.


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I think Linux needs to focus on two marketing efforts: (1) get their file system to accept the world's most popular file system en toto, with no caveats, no 'terminal sessions' required.  And (2) get users to focus on Programs Used, not on Colors Displayed or any cartoonish penguins, armadillos, geckos, etc. Get potential users to confront their actual prodcution ON a computer, and then provide any and all duplicated-services on Linux-based programs.  Not Wine, not any other 'layer' or VM or sandbox.

 

Is this enough kindling for flames?

 

It's exactly the way I see things too - I am a heavy supporter of NetRunner as it worked as a rescue boot CD for me more than once. Unlike other distros - NetRunner really started listening to what users actually need: a productivity tool with hardware drivers to match the needs of many of us. The funny thing is that NetRunner is getting ridiculously close to performing most of the tasks that Windows does. Oh, and the looks are still among the best in the Linux-distro's world.


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I tried the new Netrunner (been using older build for a while now) and am running the new PCLinuxOS again. If one screws up or has problems, I switch to another, and then maybe back again. You can't do that with Windows! Ah-hahaha :mrgreen:

 

If Windows is screwed up, you are stuck with it. :help:


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When Linux can support assembly code, and has an assembler for Linux that can create drivers for a specifically designed tranducer board that will allow the measurement of fuel pressure and fuel flow on a test bench for a Boeing 747 fuel pump that can be plugged into a PC computer motherboard and display all the parameters on a display which I have designed in my younger days or the position and control of an ore 880 volt tripper car using laser positioning it might, just might become something beyond a low end system for lightweight calculations. I would not even write test code to send to John Hopkins or JPL on a Linux machine to be converted to run on their Crays. That said, the latest Mint, and Corel aftershot2 does a decent job of raw image conversion for photography.
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Well that sounds like overkill and has no meaning to a home computer user! Why the need for a computer to test flow anyway, plenty of flow instruments in industry that use fine and critical measurements. So what OS do you use for your Cray computers... Punch Card or Slide rule? :histerija:  Yeah I know they make new Cray's.


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Try Zorin OS 11. Its A Good Distro, Also for beginners like me...


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Hmm, interesting thread.

I actually agree to most comments pros & cons.

It is a different way of thinking, ok, but compared to going from say Windows 7 to Windows 10 I can't for the life of me see that one is worse than the other as the difference between the two latter OSes are groundbreakingly shocking.

 

People do not want to change anything even on Windows, but here the users get creative without complaining. Out to get Classic Shell to modify the Explorer and Start menu for them, it is thus a case of willingness towards accepting to adjust at all. It's easier for sure, but only because we tell ourselves so - in reality it is reluctance towards change.

 

Linux does not need you to be any astro-physician to operate it. It will take some getting used to, and that's all - In the Windows OS-X surveillance world of today it is a great alternative to regain your privacy, but for that to happen, you will have to accept change.

 

...and don't even start it, O&O ShutUp10 and others does not cut it, I know mine is now silent at the network card after almost six months of battle, and only since I have an outbound traffic default of block have I managed to finally shut it up... M$ can suck my dick!


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Rather than using Linux, why not Unix? My take after years of using different systems from MS=DOS, Windows, OSX, Unix, several main frame systems. Windows has always allowed programming hardware solutions to engineering problems that NONE of the other systems could solve. CDC mainframes probably came the closest but you had to program in hexadecimal using punch cards.
Linux was and is a poor mans attempt to emulate Unix and fails in many respects. So now days I happily work away in a nice graphic environment that does not require programing in Hex and does beautiful images. For those whom never had to use the early systems just be thankful for Windows 10. Here is an example.

http://opa.cig2.usa..../cp/FpA8KtmALuY
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Rather than using Linux, why not Unix? My take after years of using different systems from MS=DOS, Windows, OSX, Unix, several main frame systems. Windows has always allowed programming hardware solutions to engineering problems that NONE of the other systems could solve. CDC mainframes probably came the closest but you had to program in hexadecimal using punch cards.
Linux was and is a poor mans attempt to emulate Unix and fails in many respects. So now days I happily work away in a nice graphic environment that does not require programing in Hex and does beautiful images. For those whom never had to use the early systems just be thankful for Windows 10. Here is an example.

http://opa.cig2.usa..../cp/FpA8KtmALuY

Used all of them and most mainframe, currently using a multitude of systems, Windows 10 my main. It also means you follow my logic, It is just some getting used to all over ;)


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